(;GM[1]FF[4]AP[glGo:1.4]ST[1]

SZ[19]KM[6.5]
PW[Wei-Yu Chen]WR[8d]PB[Mingjiu Jiang]BR[7p]RE[B+11.5]TM[600]DT[2007-02-04]PC[IGS-PandaNet]CP[Copyright (c) PANDANET Inc. 2007]

;B[pd]
;W[dp]
;B[qp]
;W[dd]
;B[fq]
;W[dn]
;B[kq]
;W[qj]
;B[ql]
;W[qf]
;B[qh]
;W[of]
;B[nc]
;W[rd]
;B[qc]
;W[pi]
;B[ci]
;W[ck]
;B[cf]
;W[ce]
;B[df]
;W[fd]
;B[cq]
;W[dq]
;B[dr]
;W[er]
;B[cr]
;W[eq]
;B[bo]
;W[bn]
;B[co]
;W[cn]
;B[do]
;W[eo]
;B[cp]C[oldwolf [ 4k?\]: mingjiu is not a strong player
jst4fun [ 8k+\]: why?
Flashman [ 1d \]: necessary to live
oldwolf [ 4k?\]: he play black]
;W[fp]C[whale [ 6d \]: P4]
;B[fr]C[jst4fun [ 8k+\]: this is tornament, it's nigiri game
Reepicheep [ 8k \]: yes]
;W[es]
;B[hq]C[jst4fun [ 8k+\]: feels w has to protect e6 cut]
;W[ej]C[oldwolf [ 4k?\]: minotaur is not a strong 7d player]
;B[fh]C[aquamarine [ 2k?\]: stats oldwolf
aquamarine [ 2k?\]: e10 is a good move]
;W[jp]C[pingva [ 7k?\]: /stats
oldwolf [ 4k?\]: hm
pingva [ 7k?\]: oldwolf, you gotta be more subtle than this.  I suggest you study this book: http://senseis.xmp.net/?GetStrongAtKibitz
oldwolf [ 4k?\]: g4]
;B[jq]
;W[hp]
;B[ip]
;W[io]
;B[iq]
;W[ho]
;B[op]C[oldwolf [ 4k?\]: b leads 20 pts
jst4fun [ 8k+\]: difficult for w
oldwolf [ 4k?\]: yes, far behind for w
shenmin [11k?\]: hey, whos white?]
;W[pq]C[Grunt [ 7d \]: wei yu chen, hes from the CA bay area
shenmin [11k?\]: thx]
;B[qq]
;W[lo]
;B[mp]C[oldwolf [ 4k?\]: 4k does not know other 4k info
tavla [ 1k?\]: Hi! What kind of tournament is this? Ameteur vs. pro?
oldwolf [ 4k?\]: g11
xedover: yes, pro-am tourney
TonyBlair [ BC \]: And why is komi 0.5?
xedover: Qualifier for the World Fujitsu Cup
xedover: komi is set wrong, its ok, will be scored by hand if necessary
TonyBlair [ BC \]: Okay
TonyBlair [ BC \]: That's coo;l
TonyBlair [ BC \]: An extension around L16 maybe?
TonyBlair [ BC \]: probably farther right though
TonyBlair [ BC \]: K16/17?
oldwolf [ 4k?\]: w is taking coffee
jst4fun [ 8k+\]: k17 feels better
tavla [ 1k?\]: Is the black stone on R12 dead?
TonyBlair [ BC \]: But doesn't k17 deny the possibility of a connection to the white stones in the upper right? Or is that not so important?]
;W[gi]
;B[hg]
;W[pn]
;B[ol]C[chad [ 2d+\]: Q6 is a little adventurous
chad [ 2d+\]: it could bring R12 into play
oldwolf [ 4k?\]: g11 is good]
;W[nn]C[oldwolf [ 4k?\]: q6 soso
chad [ 2d+\]: well Q6 does have an upside tooo
oldwolf [ 4k?\]: resign?
oldwolf [ 4k?\]: q4
xedover: oldwolf, don't be so rude and disrespectful
oldwolf [ 4k?\]: at where?
oldwolf [ 4k?\]: you are wild accusation
Toumaru [22k?\]: I'm a beginner so I do not understand Q3
Toumaru [22k?\]: Can someone plz explain?
Grunt [ 7d \]: white peeps there
Grunt [ 7d \]: to see
Grunt [ 7d \]: how black would respond so white can make proper move
Toumaru [22k?\]: I see]
;B[qo]C[Toumaru [22k?\]: To take sente
chad [ 2d+\]: no
Toumaru [22k?\]: ok
chad [ 2d+\]: w has sente
chad [ 2d+\]: to force b to make a decision
chad [ 2d+\]: maybe b would like w to live in the corner
oldwolf [ 4k?\]: w's house will be destroyed if r6
chad [ 2d+\]: in ko?
Toumaru [22k?\]: I see
Toumaru [22k?\]: ty chad]
;W[qn]C[jst4fun [ 8k+\]: Grunt, I would go s6 instead of r5, why r5?
Toumaru [22k?\]: Is there joseki involved with Q3?
Grunt [ 7d \]: no, apparently there isnt
Grunt [ 7d \]: it depends on rest of the board
Toumaru [22k?\]: ok thx for the info
chad [ 2d+\]: S6 Q4 perhaps]
;B[rn]C[oldwolf [ 4k?\]: hm, s7 bad]
;W[rm]
;B[rl]
;W[ro]
;B[rj]C[tavla [ 1k?\]: finally R12 gets into play
oldwolf [ 4k?\]: ko only
Grunt [ 7d \]: no ko
Grunt [ 7d \]: descend of T8 is sente
dewdrop [ 7k \]: what game is this?
hillgo [ 3d \]: s6 and s8 were very skillful
Grunt [ 7d \]: North American Fujitsu round 2
chad [ 2d+\]: t8 is splitting attack
Grunt [ 7d \]: prelims
dewdrop [ 7k \]: thx
oldwolf [ 4k?\]: w should give up killing
oldwolf [ 4k?\]: n8 enough
chad [ 2d+\]: Q9?]
;W[ri]
;B[qi]
;W[rh]
;B[pj]
;W[ph]
;B[qg]
;W[rg]
;B[pg]
;W[og]C[jst4fun [ 8k+\]: Grant, is b r5 a trap, real purpose is s8, s10]
;B[qk]
;W[pf]
;B[qj]C[Grunt [ 7d \]: yes, that is already planned out
Grunt [ 7d \]: but im guessing white saw this too already
jst4fun [ 8k+\]: that is amazing
Grunt [ 7d \]: black unconditionally lives
chad [ 2d+\]: I liked q9 version]
;W[oo]C[chad [ 2d+\]: w makes great wall
chad [ 2d+\]: or protects cut...]
;B[pp]C[chad [ 2d+\]: with q3
Grunt [ 7d \]: yes white protects cut
chad [ 2d+\]: in reserve
Grunt [ 7d \]: but the capping move for white of N8 is no longer sente]
;W[ml]
;B[mj]C[chad [ 2d+\]: isn't b eyeless though
Grunt [ 7d \]: no
Grunt [ 7d \]: remember that T8 is sente for black
Grunt [ 7d \]: so black has guaranteed one eye
Grunt [ 7d \]: and basically almost a full eye at Q9
Grunt [ 7d \]: so black is not in extreme danger
chad [ 2d+\]: ?? w played q9]
;W[ni]C[jst4fun [ 8k+\]: chad, your board is wrong, restart
chad [ 2d+\]: ~:"
Grunt [ 7d \]: black has eyes at S9, Q9]
;B[nj]C[hillgo [ 3d \]: theoretically once w plays r7, it threatens the eyes, but it's remote possibility I guess]
;W[lj]C[Grunt [ 7d \]: after r7, black can still play P7
Grunt [ 7d \]: then make eye at T9
Grunt [ 7d \]: if in extreme danger]
;B[mi]C[Grunt [ 7d \]: the exchange of course, isnt pretty, but black lives regardless of what white plays
hillgo [ 3d \]: right]
;W[lk]C[jst4fun [ 8k+\]: b k17 big?]
;B[rc]
;W[nh]C[Grunt [ 7d \]: if black plays anywhere on top, it would have to be either B17 or H17
Grunt [ 7d \]: but yes, it is big
SnowGrade [ 6k+\]: Which tournament is this?
Grunt [ 7d \]: North American Fujitsu Preliminary round 2
SnowGrade [ 6k+\]: Thanks
chad [ 2d+\]: even?
tavla [ 1k?\]: which web site covers this tournament?
Grunt [ 7d \]: http://www.usgo.org/tournaments/Fujitsu/2007/games.html]
;B[mg]C[tavla [ 1k?\]: thanks!
marcin [10k \]: I am sorry, what is the seqence that makes b locally alive after white r7?
hillgo [ 3d \]: looks b is having a good time
Grunt [ 7d \]: after R7, if need be, black can play P7
Grunt [ 7d \]: and then make eye at T9]
;W[mh]C[Toumaru [22k?\]: So does P7 prevent a false eye?]
;B[li]C[Grunt [ 7d \]: P7 prevents white Q8]
;W[lh]
;B[ki]C[hanamaru [ 6d?\]: P9 leaves B with one eye
Toumaru [22k?\]: I see thx]
;W[jj]C[Grunt [ 7d \]: right but P9 leaves white in gote right now
Toumaru [22k?\]: squeeze attack
yawho [ BC \]: fujitsu qualifier ?
Grunt [ 7d \]: yes, the winner plays in the world fujitsu
Grunt [ 7d \]: as US rep
yawho [ BC \]: k , thanks
xedover: also games 158 and 117
hillgo [ 3d \]: now b has to get something attacking w group
hillgo [ 3d \]: h17 now?
jayne [ 2d \]: why no komi in tournament game?
pingva [ 7k?\]: is n15 sente?]
;B[me]C[Grunt [ 7d \]: there is, they probably just forgot
jayne [ 2d \]: okay thanks Grunt
icar [ 4d \]: only citizen allowed? where are fengyun?
FRED [ 3d+\]: must be US or Canadian
Grunt [ 7d \]: i dont think fengyun is citizen
Grunt [ 7d \]: even though she lives in US]
;W[lf]C[icar [ 4d \]: ok
FRED [ 3d+\]: No one from Mexico playing
Grunt [ 7d \]: at least thats what i heard from mingjiu
Grunt [ 7d \]: lolz yeah
Toumaru [22k?\]: Grunt are you a student of mingjiu?
Grunt [ 7d \]: no, something like that
Grunt [ 7d \]: yes i mean, something like that
Toumaru [22k?\]: Cool, I am
Toumaru [22k?\]: I was just wondering if you were]
;B[hi]C[Grunt [ 7d \]: im no longer his student though]
;W[hj]C[Toumaru [22k?\]: Oh, so you were his former student?]
;B[fi]C[Grunt [ 7d \]: yes
FRED [ 3d+\]: you are a former insei ?]
;W[ii]C[Grunt [ 7d \]: nonono
Toumaru [22k?\]: heh
Grunt [ 7d \]: more like neighbor to mingjiu
Toumaru [22k?\]: Seriously?
Grunt [ 7d \]: in CA bay area
Grunt [ 7d \]: yeah i live really close, maybe like 10 minutes away
Toumaru [22k?\]: Oh wow
hillgo [ 3d \]: j11 takes courage
jst4fun [ 8k+\]: w is thinking about p9 when he played j11]
;B[fj]
;W[fk]
;B[ek]
;W[fl]
;B[jh]
;W[le]
;B[ld]C[marcin [10k \]: on the webpage of the tournament there is a result of an Andy Liu's game W+F - what does it mean?
nkinnear [15k?\]: probably a forfeit
Reepicheep [ 8k \]: his opp did not log on for the game yesterday
marcin [10k \]: oh thank you
azazil [ 2d+\]: What event is this?
azazil [ 2d+\]: And do we know who W is in real life?
chad [ 2d+\]: whoever titles these games
chad [ 2d+\]: could...
jst4fun [ 8k+\]: w is Wei-Yu Chen
marcin [10k \]: http://www.usgo.org/tournaments/Fujitsu/2007/games.html
jst4fun [ 8k+\]: 8d
Reepicheep [ 8k \]: Wei-Yu Chen 8d (w) vs Mingjiu Jiang 7p
Grunt [ 7d \]: yes
hillgo [ 3d \]: seems b has more territory
Grunt [ 7d \]: yeah, white has only center and corner open to attack
chad [ 2d+\]: P4 seemed very telling at the time]
;W[kd]C[chad [ 2d+\]: if b invaded 6 groups
chad [ 2d+\]: could be difficult
hillgo [ 3d \]: what was w's problem move?
hillgo [ 3d \]: should e2 be c4 instead?]
;B[lc]C[Grunt [ 7d \]: yeah, i think instead of white E2, E4 is better
Grunt [ 7d \]: C4 i mean
hillgo [ 3d \]: :-)
Grunt [ 7d \]: after white C4, black B2, white B3, white gets sente to invade at P4
Grunt [ 7d \]: i think white's exchanges in the middle to get middle territory sacrificed too much territory on bottom to black
chad [ 2d+\]: but K4 at P4 would be similar?
Grunt [ 7d \]: no, first white would cede corner in sente with C4
Grunt [ 7d \]: and invade at P4
Grunt [ 7d \]: using his thickness to surround territory ceded too much territory on bottom for black because he had to make exchanges like K4
chad [ 2d+\]: w had sente to play k4,
chad [ 2d+\]: why not p4 then
chad [ 2d+\]: ?]
;W[mf]C[Grunt [ 7d \]: because that counteracts
Grunt [ 7d \]: his thickness
Grunt [ 7d \]: in middle]
;B[gj]C[Grunt [ 7d \]: as black attacks P4, thickness becomes useless]
;W[hk]C[chad [ 2d+\]: yes
Grunt [ 7d \]: not to mention
Grunt [ 7d \]: that after black H3
chad [ 2d+\]: I saw e10 as forcing move
Grunt [ 7d \]: if white invades
chad [ 2d+\]: but why play if...
Grunt [ 7d \]: theres an obvious cut at E6
Grunt [ 7d \]: after white exchanges at E10
azazil [ 2d+\]: Grunt - you're 7d, which means you're unusually strong, who are you?
Grunt [ 7d \]: he goes down a one way road to surround territory in middle
azazil [ 2d+\]: I don't want to sound ungrateful for the commentary, just curious :)
Grunt [ 7d \]: because its ovbious that the exchange of E10 was bad because it strengthened blacks pieces on the left
Grunt [ 7d \]: but E10 was necessary to protect E6
Grunt [ 7d \]: so if white plays E10 and then plays P4, he contradicts himself
hillgo [ 3d \]: the last comment was most illuminating :)
chad [ 2d+\]: got it
chad [ 2d+\]: as you surmise fuseki is not a great strength of mine
Grunt [ 7d \]: you can also tell the exchange on the left is bad simply by looking at the placement of C9
Grunt [ 7d \]: it is way too close to thickness
dugu [ 4d \]: upper side invade vs. left side thinness now?]
;B[cc]C[chad [ 2d+\]: is it necessary?
jst4fun [ 8k+\]: game is over for w
chad [ 2d+\]: b has 6 groups
dugu [ 4d \]: u can't go by groups:P a big group may have only 2pts
chad [ 2d+\]: not even ~:"
dugu [ 4d \]: w needs to come up with 50pts
chad [ 2d+\]: safer maybe for b to reduce...
Grunt [ 7d \]: well the middle is roughly 30 points
dugu [ 4d \]: UL corner needs to keep 15+
Grunt [ 7d \]: plus a few points here and there on the right
dugu [ 4d \]: I feel reduce is a safer approach..H15, then L17..etc]
;W[cd]C[Grunt [ 7d \]: well, mingjiu is aggressive player by nature lolz
chad [ 2d+\]: ahh
hanamaru [ 6d?\]: isn't b15 better?
dugu [ 4d \]: b seems confident that left side won't have any trouble
chad [ 2d+\]: D10 H12 miai
Grunt [ 7d \]: left side should have no trouble at all
Grunt [ 7d \]: D10, G12, no problem
ymc [ 4d \]: who is mingliu?
jansteen [ 5d+\]: Ming Jui is Jujo's brother
ymc [ 4d \]: I see, thx!]
;B[dj]C[jansteen [ 5d+\]: welcome :)]
;W[kc]
;B[db]
;W[dc]
;B[bb]
;W[eb]
;B[bd]
;W[be]
;B[ca]
;W[ad]
;B[bc]
;W[ea]
;B[da]
;W[dk]
;B[el]
;W[em]C[jansteen [ 5d+\]: l18 is big]
;B[he]C[jansteen [ 5d+\]: h15 or h16 too]
;W[hc]
;B[mo]
;W[mn]
;B[lp]
;W[ko]
;B[dl]
;W[cl]
;B[ei]C[Dremos [ 3d?\]: w j12?]
;W[ao]
;B[ap]
;W[an]
;B[ar]
;W[ih]
;B[ig]C[dugu [ 4d \]: D8 felt a bit odd. L18 so big]
;W[jg]
;B[jf]
;W[kg]C[dugu [ 4d \]: w aiming for p9?
jansteen [ 5d+\]: t10 necessary
Dremos [ 3d?\]: t8
Dremos [ 3d?\]: oe eye in sente
Dremos [ 3d?\]: one*
pingva [ 7k?\]: t8 sente right?
oldwolf [ 4k?\]: they are still playing
Grunt [ 7d \]: yeah i guess black has to do something like P10
oldwolf [15k?\]: who is better now?]
;B[om]
;W[no]
;B[oi]
;W[oh]
;B[oj]
;W[sn]
;B[sj]
;W[sr]
;B[rr]
;W[kb]
;B[lb]
;W[la]
;B[mb]C[tavla [ 1k?\]: why T2? Why not T3? instead
blbn [ 1d+\]: what is the real komi of the game?
Grunt [ 7d \]: 6.5
blbn [ 1d+\]: thx
jst4fun [ 8k+\]: b10?
blbn [ 1d+\]: so w winning 5 points?
blbn [ 1d+\]: no b
Grunt [ 7d \]: seems like this is slightly better in blacks favor by 2-3 points
Grunt [ 7d \]: though white has sente right now
dugu [ 4d \]: h16]
;W[ff]C[jst4fun [ 8k+\]: cat]
;B[hh]
;W[bg]
;B[bf]
;W[af]C[jst4fun [ 8k+\]: sorry]
;B[cg]
;W[bh]
;B[bi]C[Chart [ 1d \]: why no komi?
jst4fun [ 8k+\]: there is komi, this game is not setup right
Chart [ 1d \]: thx]
;W[re]
;B[ic]C[Reepicheep [ 8k \]: yes the TD will count the score with the correct komi]
;W[ib]C[jansteen [ 5d+\]: what's e15?]
;B[id]C[ronahi [11k \]: what does b do if w playes g13 and then e13?]
;W[jc]
;B[ne]
;W[fs]
;B[gr]
;W[bj]
;B[ai]
;W[ag]
;B[ef]C[hillgo [ 3d \]: e15 will give w real trouble]
;W[hd]C[jansteen [ 5d+\]: yeah. i think so too]
;B[ie]C[tavla [ 1k?\]: Why did white play t2 insted of t3? T2 gives black the endgame move T3 at some point
hanamaru [ 6d?\]: e15 f15 theb w can play e13
jansteen [ 5d+\]: black has e17 cut]
;W[np]
;B[nq]C[Grunt [ 7d \]: dunno T3 sounds good]
;W[sq]
;B[kp]C[hillgo [ 3d \]: with h17 now e15 is gone]
;W[ee]C[jansteen [ 5d+\]: right
hillgo [ 3d \]: I meant h16]
;B[ge]
;W[fe]C[hanamaru [ 6d?\]: b had no time to play e15]
;B[jo]
;W[jn]
;B[kj]
;W[kk]
;B[ji]
;W[ij]
;B[gk]
;W[gl]
;B[fm]C[jst4fun [ 8k+\]: it's very close now]
;W[hl]
;B[dm]
;W[en]
;B[ma]
;W[cm]
;B[ej]
;W[ka]
;B[cj]
;W[bk]
;B[gd]
;W[gc]
;B[sd]
;W[se]
;B[sc]
;W[oe]
;B[od]
;W[gs]
;B[hs]
;W[nk]
;B[ok]
;W[pm]
;B[pl]
;W[gg]
;B[gh]
;W[ch]
;B[dh]
;W[fg]
;B[eg]
;W[je]
;B[jd]
;W[ke]
;B[nf]
;W[ng]
;B[sp]
;W[rp]
;B[rq]
;W[so]C[vZ2004 [ 3k \]: it seems B +5]
;B[rs]
;W[si]
;B[nm]
;W[mm]C[oldwolf [ 4k?\]: why do they have no komi?]
;B[aj]C[Fireheart [ 2d?\]: 58-45]
;W[qm]C[oldwolf [ 4k?\]: ???]
;B[ak]
;W[al]
;B[ac]
;W[ae]
;B[de]C[vZ2004 [ 3k \]: they have one - it is mistake in game info]
;W[fc]
;B[sl]
;W[sm]
;B[ds]
;W[ep]
;B[gp]
;W[go]
;B[gq]
;W[jp]
;B[gf]
;W[jo]
;B[if]
;W[sp]
;B[qd]
;W[tt]
;B[tt]
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